[rustybike]

Really pissing me off today is this snotty * cow at the PCSO recruitment office.

She’s just notified me that they’re going to send out all employee references a month before I start which means that Findaproperty are now going to find out what I’m doing. I told her that I’ll still be within my probationary period by then and that I can’t afford to leave until a week before I start and that I can’t afford for my current employee to find out and sack me but apparently they need all information back as soon as possible and they can’t make an exception.

My new employees can’t sack me for this can they?

[MK Chris]

They perhaps couldn't get rid of you and state the reason as being that, but my understanding is that within your probationary period (indeed, within your first year), they basically don't need a reason to get rid of you.

However, should they get rid of you (and hopefully they won't), you could always temp until your start date.

[rustybike]

I thought so... drat.
Well I've worked my finances out and me and the mrs should be able to afford to live if FAP sack me in September (just as long as we don't spend ANYTHING on anything apart from bills). The annoying thing is is that if I tried to find a job to hold me (temp it) it would take a month for someone to find me a job - it's not as quick as it used to be.

Hopefully no one from FAP will approach me about it as at the moment I'm doing a really good job. Hopefully, they'll hope I'm sticking around or that they'll wait it out and see how long I stay as it'll be more effort to sack me and find someone to replace me during their busy period.

[bbb]

What made me cross today was the stupidity of a so called born again Christian who dared to come over and interrupt me when I was talking to a old friend.
Who I had not seen in almost a year as they were away back packing.
We had arranged to met up today at Belfast’s city hall as always.

Any way she come over because she saw me give him a hug and so she came over and started preaching on how I am a vile abomination and how I make her feel sick she then noticed what.
I was wearing upon my neck and started calling me a devil worshiper.
Me being me I laughed in her face and then preached back at her using her own bible to point out contradictions. In what she had just said both on gays and on pagans.
I then quoted word for word the rules of my faith. needless to. Say she soon ran away calling me the anti Christ. I also think I made her cry I did not mean to make her cry but once I get going on a subject that I
know a lot of and that is dear to me I keep going till I have said all I have to say then if they talk back I then talk back sparking off a debate. I was her narrow mildness that made me cross and that she dared to assume anything about me or my friend and the fact that it was very rude of her to interrupt me in the first place and yes also what made me a bit cross was the fact that I made her cry

[bbb]

What also made me a bit cross is Database error the database has encountered a problem.

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But theses things happen not just that site but other seems to be down

[S4B]

They perhaps couldn't get rid of you and state the reason as being that, but my understanding is that within your probationary period (indeed, within your first year), they basically don't need a reason to get rid of you.

However, should they get rid of you (and hopefully they won't), you could always temp until your start date.

It is VERY hard to get rid of someone even within their probationary period especially if you've worked there more than 3 months (Once you hit 3 months you have the same rights as a permanent employee). My advice would be to be honest with your current employers. Tell them that you are joining the PCSOs and that you will give your all to your current job in the meantime. You are then giving them the opportunity to find someone else and train them before you leave.

[MK Chris]

You only have decent rights as a permanent employee. And they don't need a reason if you're within your probationary period. Why do you think some employers extend probationary periods if they're unsure whether to keep the employee or not?

[MK Chris]

You only have decent rights as a permanent employee.

I did, of course, mean 'You only have decent rights when you've been there a year.'

I am annoyed because I am housesitting for someone and they have Sky, but, it turns out, not the sports channels. I was looking forward to watching the US Open.

[Yudster]

If they let you go, even within the probationary period, they have to give a work based reason - and they also have to demonstrate that appropriate support and training has been made available to you in relation to that work based reason. Its not correct to say that they don't need a reason, they do - its just that the more elaborate HR procedure which comes with permanent employment isn't in place, ie verbal and written warnings and a full notice period aren't neccessary.

Technically they could let you go, even if you're great (which you are!), if for some reason the role was no longer viable from a business perspective - but they would have to be able to demonstrate that this is the case, just saying "Our business needs have changed and we don't need you" isn't adequate. They need to fully explain the position.

What they are definitely NOT allowed to do is terminate your employment because they have received a reference request from another source. A reference request is not neccessarily an indication that you have accepted a job elsewhere, merely that you may have applied for one. Bearing in mind that you have recently changed jobs, this isn't an unusual scenario.

If, as I would assume, Findaproperty are a properly run company, their HR department won't try anything dodgy. It really wouldn't be worth their while.

[Yudster]

Sorry for the double post - I meant to quote Rusty in the one above.

[rustybike]

If they let you go, even within the probationary period, they have to give a work based reason - and they also have to demonstrate that appropriate support and training has been made available to you in relation to that work based reason. Its not correct to say that they don't need a reason, they do - its just that the more elaborate HR procedure which comes with permanent employment isn't in place, ie verbal and written warnings and a full notice period aren't neccessary.

Technically they could let you go, even if you're great (which you are!), if for some reason the role was no longer viable from a business perspective - but they would have to be able to demonstrate that this is the case, just saying "Our business needs have changed and we don't need you" isn't adequate. They need to fully explain the position.

What they are definitely NOT allowed to do is terminate your employment because they have received a reference request from another source. A reference request is not neccessarily an indication that you have accepted a job elsewhere, merely that you may have applied for one. Bearing in mind that you have recently changed jobs, this isn't an unusual scenario.

If, as I would assume, Findaproperty are a properly run company, their HR department won't try anything dodgy. It really wouldn't be worth their while.

Oh ok. That makes sense. What I am quite glad about is:

What they are definitely NOT allowed to do is terminate your employment because they have received a reference request from another source. A reference request is not neccessarily an indication that you have accepted a job elsewhere, merely that you may have applied for one. Bearing in mind that you have recently changed jobs, this isn't an unusual scenario.

That's made me feel a bit relieved as I know that I'm a good worker so they should be able to find an excuse... but then you never know.

FAP are actually a really good company actually, which is why leaving is making me feel really guilty.

Thank you though for the tips and advice.

I just think (tell me if it's a bad idea) it'll make me look like a better person if I tell them about the situation BEFORE they get a hold of any references. I just don't think it'll look very good if one day out of the blue they get a letter along the lies of "...Kate has recently accepted a place in Sussex Police...". It'll look so much more professional if I tell them first before the references and also offer at the same time that I am willing to stay longer than my week's notice to "help them out" (basically until I have to start my new role).

Shitting hell - that's a big one!

[S4B]

Topher, trust me, as an employer I can tell you it's 3 months with most companies and even within the 3 months "probationary period" means very little. You have to set clear objectives, review them and then give them another opportunity to complete those objectives. The rights are all on the side of the employee now.

[S4B]

Oh and annoying me today - NITS! Bloody kids!

[Yudster]

I just think (tell me if it's a bad idea) it'll make me look like a better person if I tell them about the situation BEFORE they get a hold of any references. I just don't think it'll look very good if one day out of the blue they get a letter along the lies of "...Kate has recently accepted a place in Sussex Police...". It'll look so much more professional if I tell them first before the references and also offer at the same time that I am willing to stay longer than my week's notice to "help them out" (basically until I have to start my new role).

I can see why you are thinking this, but I don't think its a good idea. Any reference request won't say that you have accepted a position, it would only say that you have recently applied. Applying for a job elsewhere is a perfectly legitimate thing for any employee to do and it is not allowable to penalise you for it, probationary period or not.

Also, nice though the company are, I wouldn't worry too much about their processes and convenience. They are in a perfectly good position to deal with the situation you are eventually going to present, it really won't be a massive problem for them.

If you really are uncomfortable about it to the point of losing sleep, well, I can see why "coming clean" might seem like the best way, and it might be ok, you never know. But I think its more likely to cause a problem than just going with the processes.

All the best rusty...!

[S4B]

Ahem!

My advice would be to be honest with your current employers. Tell them that you are joining the PCSOs and that you will give your all to your current job in the meantime. You are then giving them the opportunity to find someone else and train them before you leave.

Yay Rusty took my advice!

[Sunny So Cal]

Oh and annoying me today - NITS! Bloody kids!

Again?! What the hell?! Oh my God, I'd run away from home!

[rustybike]

I can see why you are thinking this, but I don't think its a good idea. Any reference request won't say that you have accepted a position, it would only say that you have recently applied. Applying for a job elsewhere is a perfectly legitimate thing for any employee to do and it is not allowable to penalise you for it, probationary period or not.

Also, nice though the company are, I wouldn't worry too much about their processes and convenience. They are in a perfectly good position to deal with the situation you are eventually going to present, it really won't be a massive problem for them.

This is exactly what the mrs said. At the end of the day; the only reason I'm spilling the beans is because of the referencing. If, however, they weren't going to do the referencing until after I'd have left FAP then I wouldn't have even bothered telling them - so why do it now? I think I'm going to let it flow and if they want to talk to me, the fine. I can then offer my services for longer to help out and to look good. Hopefully they'll just wait it out and let me come to them as if they approach me, they might scare me off.

If you really are uncomfortable about it to the point of losing sleep, well, I can see why "coming clean" might seem like the best way, and it might be ok, you never know. But I think its more likely to cause a problem than just going with the processes.

I think the reason why I wanted to tell them was because of guilt you know, I really do; as it would feel like I was coming clean.

Thank you all for your advice. It really has helped.

Oh and annoying me today - NITS! Bloody kids!

What the hell?? Although at elast you know your kids hair is clean! Apparently nits hate dirty hair.

Have you tried pouring a ton of conditioner into their hair, rubbing it in and then combing it out? The nits can't grip on.

I remember when I had nits, I was given this excellent stuff that smelt like TCP - it god rid of them within minutes; however they took it off the shelves as apparently it caused cancer. Rubbish!

[rustybike]

Not so much annoying, but more upsetting. My previous boss at EDF has died.

He was taken into hospital a week after I left because he'd collapsed at home. A couple of days later and after a couple of tests it turned out he had leukemia! I was told the doctors did 2 blood transfusions but according to my friend at work they didn't work. 2 weeks later he's now dead! DEAD! Collapsing at home (not even after feeling somewhat unwell) then dead!

I'm shocked!

[Ezza]

Urgh. I hate how ex's can make you feel like absolute shit by saying just one thing.

[foot-loose]

That you smell of wee?

[Ezza]

I don't think that would have annoyed me as much...

[MK Chris]

Surely if you can't get on, it's best just to leave each other alone.

[Sunny So Cal]

That's right. Sever it like a gangrenous limb.

[Yudster]

Surely if you can't get on, it's best just to leave each other alone.

This may be the single wisest thing ever said by anybody on this forum.

[Ezza]

It is indeed a good idea, and I thought I was doing well at it. Then he started texting me, and I feel rude not replying.