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By Yudster
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David Blaine has dead eyes.
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By chrysostom
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Bruvva wrote:Sherlock lived up to expectations, more of a character based episode than a mystery to be solved which was good and needed to get the Holmes/Watson relationship back to normal. Loved that they didn't really resolve how Sherlock survived the end of the last series and left it open ended because whichever solution they offered, there'd be people who would be unsatisfied by whatever explanation was offered (illustrated beautifully by Sherlock's interview with a journalist near the end).

As an aside, I loved the gentle pokes at the 'shipping community - Holmes and Moriarty kissing, Holmes and Molly Hooper getting it on.


While I agree with all the points - I wasn't happy with a third of the series being dedicated to what was essentially "I'm back", "How did I do it", filler & in jokes. As Toph said, we've waited 2 years! It's classic Moffat/Doctor Who padding & had tones of the disappointment that was the Doctor Who Christmas special.

I think the interesting bits from that episode could have been summed up in a series of 5 minute webisodes - much higher expectations of episode 2.
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By Bruvva
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I think it suffered from the weight of expectation really, everyone had been waiting for two years and built it up so naturally, some people were disappointed as they believed it would live up to their expectations which were, in the main, impossibly high.

I'll skip over the tube gaffes as a) that would mark me out as a geek and b) Bond made the same errors so I'll let them off.
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By chrysostom
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The tube mistakes made me so annoyed. In Bond you expect them to favour style over substance as they're for an international market - disappointed that attention to detail isn't the primary concern in a Sherlock Holmes adaptation.
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By Topher
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Bruvva wrote:I'll skip over the tube gaffes as a) that would mark me out as a geek

I'd like to respectfully point out that it's too late for that... go on, I'm interested.

I thought it was brilliant I must admit... I think Mary is great and I loved the development in the relationship between Sherlock and Mycroft.

Edit: does anyone else think the Watson kidnapping was done to expose a weakness in Sherlock's otherwise impenetrable emotional side for later exploitation?
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By Topher
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*Car ;)
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By chrysostom
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While I'm complaining, that bit was purely for the US folk who of course would be unable to decipher that car is a contraction of carriage. Grr.
By bmstinton93
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For some reason I have never watched Sherlock so I am catching up this weekend. Just finished season 1 this morning and am loving it so far! Hopefully I'll catch up before the new episode tomorrow night!
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By chrysostom
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Having been away for 2 years, I think I was hoping for more of an epic story arc from Sherlock - however it's just a bit of light hearted mystery solving. Not awful, but certainly not in the same league as the first 2 series.
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By Bruvva
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chrysostom wrote:Having been away for 2 years, I think I was hoping for more of an epic story arc from Sherlock - however it's just a bit of light hearted mystery solving. Not awful, but certainly not in the same league as the first 2 series.


It's not like the first two series were faultless, as I've said before, people's memories of them are clouding their judgment of this one. I enjoyed the most recent one immensely, hints of Sherlock realising he quite likes being close to people, his reaction to being asked to be best man was lovely, he had no idea how to react because he'd spent his whole life previously believing that he was above and beyond things like emotion and friendship. I suspect it's all building up to something quite climactic in the third episode and those who've read the stories may have an idea what'll happen (I won't say what because it might not come to pass and if it does then I don't want to spoil people's enjoyment). Moffatt enjoys weaving storylines and plots into season finales so I'm sure we'll see something dramatic happen.

It is fascinating to compare it to Elementary, which is itself a good show but Johnny Lee Millar plays Holmes in a completely different way and that's the beauty of the stories and characters, they can be interpreted in a variety of ways and still be great.
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By Topher
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I've not seen Elementary, but I have seen it mentioned on Twitter. Lots of the people I follow on Twitter don't like it at all, but then lots of the people I follow on Twitter are feminists and think Moffat is evil in the way he depicts women in his scripts.

I'm intrigued as to what Bruvva is referring to - I definitely need to think I need to find time at some point to read the books.
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By Bruvva
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Elementary is worth catching up with, just be lenient with the first 5/6 episodes as it suffers from the usual American TV show thing of stumbling as it tries to find itself - Supernatural had exactly the same problem.

What I'm referring to isn't a huge thing in the books, it's just mentioned but if they do follow it up in the show, it'd be a little bit emotional.
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By Badger Mark
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Anyone seen The Fall with Gillian Anderson? Been watching this on Netflix over the last few days. I have one episode left to go. Really excellent IMO.

My wife is eagerly awaiting Sherlock. It's still got a couple of weeks until it shows up here on US TV. I've had to skip everything that's been written above to avoid spoilers.
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By Yudster
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I also like elementary very much. I think that and Sherlock are both excellent depictions of various aspects of the characters Conan Doyle created. Both series refused to fall into the trap of almost all previous adaptations, that of depicting Watson as a bumbling idiot - Watson is an immensely powerful character, resourceful, intelligent, good in a fight - this is acknowledged in both series in different ways but done really well.
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By chrysostom
#501496
Just saw something that summed up my opinion on the series so far, 'Fan fiction with high production values'.

Also, DEAN THOMAS WAS THE HOT SOLDIER.

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By bmstinton93
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So I started watching The Vampire Diaries a couple of days ago! The fact I'm massively enjoying it is making me wonder if I should be questioning my sexuality, but it is in fact ace! And nothing like what I expected! Plus, Boone from Lost is in it.
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By Topher
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Text conversation with the sister......

Starts off all well and good...

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...oh dear...

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...but phew...

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...oh.

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By Latina
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I've read about half of Arthur Conan Doyle's Holmes overall, but it was a few years ago and I've been meaning to get back into them. Last night I read His Last Bow (one of the later short stories, published in 1917), as it's one of the ones I hadn't read, and this Sunday's Sherlock takes its name from it.

That doesn't necessarily mean it will be adapted from it much (if it at all), but recognising nods to the books (some of them wonderfully random), is one of my favourite things about the series. :)
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By Badger Mark
#501549
Finished the last episode of the first series of The Fall. I thought all five episodes were very good, and I really hope that Netflix picks up the second series. I understand it starts production this month so hopefully by the end of the year I might see it over here in the US.
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By Topher
#501550
Look I know I've stuck up for the other episodes when others have said they've been shit, but * hell, Sherlock was amazing tonight.

Also, I can't wait another two years.
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By slaphead1982
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I'm not sure. It did seem to drift away from the "Solving" side of things and head towards the "Family" side a bit too much in my opinion. It was still good, don't get me wrong but it just seemed to drift away from what made it a hit.
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By dimtimjim
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Currently, I'm loving 8oo10CDC and Speed (with Guy Martin), both on Ch4. Good stuff.
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