[MK Chris]

I reckon I could do the job... it's not as though I could go the wrong way.

[Johnny 1989]

Actually there are red telephone boxes in London because I have a photo of a load of us in one and I also remember somewhere near where The Lion King is, there's a red phone box which we found a turd in.

There's two outside Stamford Bridge (Chelsea's stadium), one on Warrick Avenue (North West London) & One in Wanstead near the tube stations, they do double up as a toilet, half of them have an inch of piss at the bottom. That's probably why the modern one have holes at the bottom instead.

There's also a Tardis on the Northbank near Temple station although it's not the "Tardis sized" ones it's just the phone section (although the phone has obviously long gone.)

[Johnny 1989]

I live in Ilford, my work is in Debden, it takes an hour to get to work via two buses & two trains because that part of the Central Line is a bloody stupid loop in which it's quicker to go from Gants Hill to Leytonstone than from Gants Hill to Woodford

Rather you than me. There's jobs in Debden??

Yeah, there's a few industrial estates near the Bank Of England building, I'm on one of those, although we're moving to Romford later in the year, thank God. That'll be the end of all this bollocks once we finally move.

I reckon I could do the job... it's not as though I could go the wrong way.

Trust me, for such a small area there seems to buses & trains to all the surrounding towns between Ilford & Debden, however hardly any of them link up with each other. From what I can remember although the Central Line runs from South Woodford & then onto Woodford, no bus runs directly between the two stations. same with Snaresbrook - South Woodford as well.

Plus Debden is a depressing little crap hole anyway, I advise stay away.

[jocky85]

Agreed on your debden comment. The only thing Debden has going for it is the Pie and Mash shop!! Where's the Bank of England building? Can't picture it.

I know what you mean about connections, always used to get the bus to Ilford from Buckhurst Hill, same with going to Walthamstow, attempting it by tube would've been a nightmare!

[Johnny 1989]

Agreed on your debden comment. The only thing Debden has going for it is the Pie and Mash shop!! Where's the Bank of England building? Can't picture it.

I know what you mean about connections, always used to get the bus to Ilford from Buckhurst Hill, same with going to Walthamstow, attempting it by tube would've been a nightmare!

Langston Road, I'm on one of the estates along there. Yeah Walthamstow is another pig as well, you have three lines running up there, two I think from Liverpool Street on the old WAGN network & the Victoria Line, but no proper link between Walthamstow & anywhere in East London really, except for the GOBLIN from Barking (another dump). I was in South West London, Sunday just gone, it's so much nicer down that way

[Yudster]

Walthamstow might not be the easiest place to get to but I have a soft spot for it. I used to live not far from there, in Chingford, and I got married in Walthamstow Register Office. I never did quite get into the dogs though, although we used to go "up the 'Stow" every now and then.

Ah nostalgia.....!

[jocky85]

Ah Walthamstow Dogs, how I miss that place!! Used to go there as a young child (bet £1 on the dog with the name I liked etc) and only went a couple of times when I got a bit older and able to understand a little about how it all actually worked!

Such a shame they closed it down. I went to the Peterborough track for my birthday and it just wasnt the same!

[Yudster]

Bagels. Don't get me wrong, I love bagels - they are tasty, substantial and low fat yumminess in a glorious shiny "O" - but why, when they are toasted, do they get - and stay - so much hotter than anything else you might shove in the toaster? I can happily handle a piece of toast, or a crumpet, straight out of the toaster. Take hold of a bagel when the toaster goes "ping" though and you're risking third degree burns. What's going on with them?

[MK Chris]

You should let me toast them for you, I'll take so long preparing them after they've been toasted that they'll be stone cold by the time they get to you.

[Yudster]

Why?

[Latina]

My parents, who live in a teeny villiage on the top of a hill in the middle of Fife, have a red telephone box near them. It looks very pretty when it snows.

I'm sorry for you London folks. And here I thought this forum was overrun by Scots.

[TIAL]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8091605.stm
I'm not sure if this has made me happy or sad.
Whilst it is rather pleasing to see Nick Griffin mobbed and pelted with eggs, I can't help feeling that this will only serve to give him more ammunition and hatred towards what he calls the 'liberal elite'.
The way to bring down the BNP is through intellectual debate and rational argument, not fuelling their hate by stooping to their level.

[Yudster]

Absolutely. All this does is enable the BNP to depict itself as opressed victims of an elitist system. Some people shouldn't be allowed to have eggs.

[Latina]

I hate the BNP as much as any normal person, but I'm getting increasingly frustrated with the following:

1) News reporters (including sensible ones) asking them questions that are so obviously loaded and unsubtle that even the likes of Griffin can detect it, consequently responding either by being very angry or playing the victim card, thus causing the whole interview to descend to a very low level of silliness

2) The BNP being prevented from saying anything by angry mobs

The problem with both of those is that it means we never actually get to hear first hand just how dreadful their policies are. Doesn't anyone understand that the best argument against the BNP is the party's own words?

I had the same rant when Nick Griffin was prevented at the last minute from participating in a debate at my University four years or so ago. It would have been classic.

I can't believe how willing I am to defend the free speech of a group I despise so much, but there you go.

[Ed Pummelon]

Charlie Brooker on Twitter: "Instead of lobbing eggs, protesters should arrive with 200 v v pretty girls who just point at Griffin and laugh derisively."

[TIAL]

Well put, Latina. I agree with you entirely.

Was the debate you are referring to in Oxford? It happened there too. Living there at the time, it was a big topic of discussion. A few people couldn't understand that just because I wanted the debate to go ahead, it didn't mean I supported the BNP.
These people are not my friends

[Johnny 1989]

Charlie Brooker on Twitter: "Instead of lobbing eggs, protesters should arrive with 200 v v pretty girls who just point at Griffin and laugh derisively."

I'm all for this, their beauty will make up for the fact this twat got in.

Although I agree with most, I'd rather hear what the * has to say first, once he's finished then pelt him with eggs

[Ed Pummelon]

They don't like it up 'em...

[JonnyYesno]

Well, the BNP is what our society deserves!

We have on the whole an apathetic electorate highly unequipped to look past their favourite issue or be distracted by moats or resignations of third rate ministers. Go us.

As for engaging the BNP in debate to reveal how hateful they are - forget it. They're much more hardened, focussed and motivated than given credit for and would relish the oxygen of any publicity. Besides there is never any debate to be had where there is only dogma.

What exactly is there to debate anyway? How can you reason with a party who wants to use facist ideology to bring back Britishness when it was Britons (et al) who sought to smash the facists in WW2 ? Duh.

[TIAL]

I get what you're saying, but I still can't help but think that reasonable debate would be far more effective than simply throwing eggs at them.
To be honest, those in the BNP party won't stand down to either, but there is a chance those voting for them might begin to understand them as they really are if they had the chance to speak rather than appearing the 'victims' of a physically violent hate campaign.

To many people, this will just seem like far-left liberals being hypocritical in censoring what the BNP has to say. If we took them seriously rather than reacting in an extremely reactionary way, the casual voters may actually think about what they are voting for rather than voting for them because they are a victim of 'intelligentsia' ridicule.

[MK Chris]

Thing is, the BNP disguises what it really is; it has to in order to get the support (however limited that support may be - because although they got two people elected, their support went down) that it does. Fair enough, most people can still see through it, but were they to show their true colours, they'd get as much support as the National Front, who are basically irrelevant in politics (at least in this country - Le Pen is a stain on French politics). In fact, wasn't the BNP formed by a break-away National Front group? John Tyndall I believe and a few others. And they have people who have connections with Combat 18. Nick Griffin has been caught on video basically saying that they can't say certain things in public. That's why they had to get rid of their candidate who said that rape is not a major crime because raping a woman is the sexual equivalent of force-feeding her chocolate - they actually believe these things, but because it won't win them any votes, they have to silence themselves on such matters. That's also why they dropped their policy of compulsory 'repatriation' in favour of voluntary 'repatriation' instead, it appeals to more people and allows them to appear less extreme.

In reality, they despise any non-caucasian British people, they deny the holocaust, they are homophobic and they want to outlaw mixed-race relationships. Thankfully, they will never (at least in the lifetime of anybody visiting this board) gain power.

They willingly use the freedom of speech that they are perfectly entitled to, in order to spread lies and racial hatred. All that said, I agree that they should be allowed to do that; it allows people to see them for who they are in their true colours. The people of the North West and the people of Yorkshire are bound to recognise the mistake they've made and although it may be too late this time, I'd be fairly confident in saying that neither Griffin nor Andrew Brons will be elected again.

[Latina]

Well put, Latina. I agree with you entirely.

Was the debate you are referring to in Oxford? It happened there too. Living there at the time, it was a big topic of discussion. A few people couldn't understand that just because I wanted the debate to go ahead, it didn't mean I supported the BNP.
These people are not my friends

No, it was St Andrews. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2005/feb/03/race.students

[Latina]

They willingly use the freedom of speech that they are perfectly entitled to, in order to spread lies and racial hatred. All that said, I agree that they should be allowed to do that; it allows people to see them for who they are in their true colours. The people of the North West and the people of Yorkshire are bound to recognise the mistake they've made and although it may be too late this time, I'd be fairly confident in saying that neither Griffin nor Andrew Brons will be elected again.

That's exactly what I thought when I those results came through. I honestly believe this is their peak right now, and they can only do worse at the next election.

[JonnyYesno]

They willingly use the freedom of speech that they are perfectly entitled to, in order to spread lies and racial hatred. All that said, I agree that they should be allowed to do that; it allows people to see them for who they are in their true colours.

But they can't - it's illegal to incite hatred.

So what you get are the lies to cover their real intentions. This subverts any chance of sensible debate and is why there is a long tradition of not engaging with them, it's pointless. Did you not see the mainstream candidates turn their backs and leave the stage at his acceptance speech - that's true 'Britishness' right there.

[MK Chris]

Yes, but the more they talk, the more the veil slips.