[Betti911]

I can honestly say that I've not heard Chris coming out with offensive and homophobic remarks. If he did I would be the first one to say so as I hate any kind of discrimination.

Chris does not claim to be comedian. He's a DJ and a damn good one. If you don't like his comments then don't listen.

[mlawton]

justaskin, just don't listen!


I make racist, sexuality jokes all the time doesn't mean im homophobic or racist. It's just a laugh. It's exactly the same with people that wear glasses. I wear glasses and often me mates make jokes and I join along I DON'T CARE!

the majority of black people and gay people don't mind jokes been made out of them, its the ones without a sense of humour that get upset, so get a life justaskin!

[Quincy]

chris is hardly anti gay is he? its just a bit of a joke or banter.

[stevotrash Esq.]

If you anti-gay, your not going to;

a) enjoy working
b) get very far

...in the radio industry.

So the answer to the question is a probably no, he isn't homophobic given his position as the lead DJ on the number one youth targetted station in the country.

[donnie]

he aint homophobic but he is a male chauvanist sexist pink farmyard animal! btw did he call himself the voice of reason this morning? I thought that was James Whale!

[Adam]

homosexual is such a crap word. just say gay. gay friends. it sounds better.

[justaskin]

you're right about the word homosexual... up til 1992 it was a World Health Organisation classification for mental illness, so when you say someone is homosexual you are saying they are mentally ill. That allowed The health secreatary as recently as 15 years ago to advocate electric shock therapy as a treatment/cure.

that's one of the ways people can upset/offend without realising. sometimes it takes the people who are discriminated against to point this out. it's a shame when the people doin the discriminating can't take a step back and ask themselves "ami being offensive, albeit uintentionally".

Donnie, I agree, Chris the voice of reason???? hahahhahaha

[fish heads]

you're right about the word homosexual... up til 1992 it was a World Health Organisation classification for mental illness, so when you say someone is homosexual you are saying they are mentally ill.

But you're really not though. Maybe if people are thinking that, they should take a step back and think "am I being too over-sensitive"?

[justaskin]

or maybe you are being insensitive?

[Betti911]

Insensitive to what? If you don't like it don't listen or better still write to Chris Moyles yourself and air your views to him. After all he's the only one who can change his behaviour not us.

Face it you are not going to get us as fans on his fansite to agree with you. We obviously don't share your point of view otherwise we wouldn't be on this site.

[justaskin]

The show plays on the works bus that takes us to work each morning, so I can't turn him off and I wouldn't stop people who like and listen to him from doing so.

Of course you're not going to turn against Chris and that's not what I'm trying to do.... just trying to raise the point that when minority groups are used as the butt of jokes it can be damaging, that Chris does that when he uses gay people as the butt of jokes, that this has been pointed out to him by an equal rights organisation. I'm just trying to raise the same point here.

I'm not expecting or wanting anyone to say "Booh, Chris is bad, down with Chris". But at least to say "Chris is great, funny but using a minority groups as humour is tasteless and not really acceptable and maybe he should stop that part of it, but carry on with the rest, you're doing great"

Just raising the point that if you are in the heterosexual majority you can't really appreciate how it feels to be in a minority group where gay bashing and gay murders are daily occurences and then to be treated as the butt of jokes on a state broadcasted radio show. Maybe if you aren't in the minority group, you can't appreciate it, but maybe you can keep an open mind enough to hear the people that point it out to you. Just stop and think about it long enough to hear the message and not just focus on the idea that it is attack on all things Chris Moyles and just a part of it?

just asking.

[donnie]

this is so cool proper intellectual debate like on newsnight!

[MK Chris]

Just raising the point that if you are in the heterosexual majority you can't really appreciate how it feels to be in a minority group where gay bashing and gay murders are daily occurences

So gays are the only minority group?

You are flogging a dead horse - I bet if you were to look at the statistics of people who complain about Chris' gay jokes (of which there aren't many anyway) you would be surprised at how low the figures are, if in fact there are any at all. When you take into account Chris' regular listening figures it would no doubt make that figure appear even smaller. Hypothetical, yes, but I'd put money on it.

The world we live in has gone PC-Crazy... I know people who are gay and none of them are as uptight as you are - some of them listen to Moyles and all of those who do clearly find him funny. I've never heard one person, besides you, complain about Moyles' supposed homophobia. I have heard people complain about him in other ways - over the top, arrogant, etc - that's their opinion, not mine... But clearly you yourself are in a minority as one who is offended by Moyles' remarks about gay people.

Lighten up.

[fish heads]

or maybe you are being insensitive?

Don't think so.

If people are actually thinking "someone has just referenced the word homosexual. Although this is actually one of the correct words to use when describing someone more colloquially known as 'gay', they must be instead implying that I am mentally ill due to a definition that hasn't been in use for over a decade and a half and very few people are aware of anyway" then they are extremly insecure about themselves.

I'm not saying homosexual...woops, I mean gay, discrimination doesn't go on, but you are taking it so such an absurd level it is hard to find any sympathy with you personally or indeed your case.

[scarrott]

New here but the discussion interested me. I only came on to ask when Moyles' appearance on family fortunes is being shown (anyone know?) Hi everyone

Anyway, this sort of talk really annoys me. I'm not racist, homophobic, sexist or any other -ist. I am however in the real world, can take and give a joke equally and like to laugh. We can't keep stopping people making jokes about people, whoever they are. What next, laws against making jokes about ginger people? People from certain cities (maybe we should have laws against scouse-ist behaviour)? I wear glasses and people make jokes all the time. My housemate is 6' 5" and people are constantly making jokes and other comments at him. The fact is everybody makes jokes at the expense of everyone else, and i'm damn glad they do cos if we couldn't life would become very dull very quickly.

What i find odd is that there seem to be these different levels of offence based on what people make comment on. Why is it seen as worse to make a joke at the expense of black people as a whole, than to make jokes at the expense of gays. And why is it worse to make jokes about gays that it is to make them about gingers? I don't understand the logic that says that discriminating against one group is worse than another? Surely that just contradicts the whole equality thing! You are basically saying 'everyone is equal, but you must treat people differently.' A very clever south park episode about race hate crimes put it very well, that by treating crimes differently based on the race of the victim, you are merely perpetuating the idea that black people are different to white people.

As it goes, i am a 25 year old white english male with a degree and a middle class upbringing. I don't think this has any effect on my ability to comment on this though!! I would like to say to chris keep up the good work and don't allow the few to ruin the show for the many!

Rant over

[maximus]

or maybe you are being insensitive?

Or maybe you're oversensitive? People like you get on my nerves.

Aled is gay and has been on the show for years. Chris constantly ribs him about his sexuality and you know why? Because its funny. Get over yourself, get a sense of humour and take a look at the real World.

[fish heads]

Or maybe you're oversensitive? People like you get on my nerves.

Best argument yet

[justaskin]

Scarratt, personally I don't think that discrimination against black people as a whole is less serious than against gay people, so i agree with you there.

As for ginger people or tall people, the reason that that is less serious is cos historically ginger people have always been allowed under law to get married, ginger people weren't barred from renting private rooms, ginger people weren't forced to drink from different water fountains, sit on certain parts of buses, you don't get hung publicly at the age of 17 in Iran for being ginger, people don't kill people just for being ginger.

I understand what you are saying, but that is the reason that hate crime and homophic or racist jokes etc are treated more seriously and generally considered less accetable than jokes about ginger people (for example)

[justaskin]

you wrote

If people are actually thinking "someone has just referenced the word homosexual. Although this is actually one of the correct words to use when describing someone more colloquially known as 'gay', they must be instead implying that I am mentally ill due to a definition that hasn't been in use for over a decade and a half and very few people are aware of anyway" then they are extremly insecure about themselves.

but it's not the correct word, that's my point! the word is a definition of mental illness. the word didn't exist until it was created to define a mental illness.

[justaskin]

this is a transcript from his show this month


[i]"I don’t think there are enough fit looking lesbians on television copping off with each other. I’m going to have a report commissioned by my male heterosexual friends, and I think we’ll all agree that there aren’t enough sexy lesbian women on the television. I watched TV yesterday for several hours and I didn’t see any hot lezzas, and I think this is an outrage – and this was across many channels… in the end I had to watch a video to see some kind of action.

Yeah, I’m homophobic I don’t like the gays, sorry. It just does my head in. We have a token gay on the show! If that doesn’t get me any credit, I don’t know what will. I’m always trying to get Rachel and Carrie to lezz off with each other, but they won’t have it. That’s not me – that’s them…. I’ve asked Carrie to be bi, but she point blankly refuses because she says she’s straight. Now personally I think that’s slightly homophobic…

Our executive producer Reece has had a minor homosexual experience [much laughter]… Our old executive producer, he’s a gay – granted, he doesn’t work for us anymore – too busy looking out of the window at boys and putting make up on… "[/i]

[Betti911]

Homosexual is a commonly used term in english vocab and most people see it as simply another word for a gay person.

I was in court this morning and the guy in the dock accused of a George Michael outside style incident was refered to by his lawyer as 'a 24 year old homosexual man' and noone took exception to it. Its a descriptive term. You can hardly blame Chris Moyles for the way the english language has developed.

[fish heads]

but it's not the correct word, that's my point! the word is a definition of mental illness. the word didn't exist until it was created to define a mental illness.

There is a difference between "is" and "was". It was used to describe a "mental illness". It no longer is and hasn't been for over a decade and a half. Even in the immediate time before then, people weren't thinking like that.

The way the word is constructed means it would have been called "homosexual" if it had originally been thought of as an illness or not. It was created to define the act of, for the want of a better phrase, being gay, rather than to soully define a "mental illness". Like I say, anyone thinking like this is very insecure about themselves

Mountain out of a molehill quite frankly, and you are just looking to stir things up.

this is a transcript from his show this month

You say transcript, looks more like a poorly remembered conversation twisted slightly to suit your own needs

[justaskin]

ok, ok, i get it, you won't hear a word said against him. The transcript came from the equal rights organisation website, he also supposedly called someone a poof a couple of days ago, but everyone here just think he's a hero; that's fine, it is a fansite after all.

anyhow, it's generated a bit of debate and that's all good.

wonder if i'd have any more luck on a nick griffin fansite suggesting he's racist?

bye for now

[fish heads]

I'm not saying anything for or against moyles, I'm saying you have twisted definitions!

Likewise you're not listening to a word we say either!

[Sidders]

he also supposedly called someone a poof a couple of days ago,

"Supposedly" being the operative word there.