The Chris Moyles Forum - Weight Loss Group 2013

[MK Chris]

I am exactly the same as last week, but then I had a bit of a rubbish weekend and ate far too much... on it like a car bonnet for next week.

[richbrown]

I've lost 7lbs since my last weigh in a few weeks ago. I'm starting my chocolate-fast tomorrow so I'm going to enjoy as much of it on my pancakes today and then look forward to the sugar crash tomorrow.

[Boboff]

Get some fruit in and make a fruit salad with Greek yoghurt and a sprinkle of Nut clusters...... Yum and Sugar rush, add to porridge for a good start to the day!

[Johnny 1989]

I lost 1lb last week which takes me onto 9lbs since January. I am still planning to join the Gym, however I have a terrible bad back at present (it's an old injury from when I was 16 which has come & gone but has been terribly painful over the last week and a half), I never went to the doctors back then in 1999 so I'm finally going to get it looked at once and for all as the pains are getting more frequent & worse, however although I called the Doctor last Thursday I have been told I have to wait until the 1st March to see my Doctor, thanks Mr Cameron.

I just don't want to join the Gym and damage the back further until I see the doctor about it.

[Boboff]

Your doctor will say you need to join a Gym.

Maybe...........

Oh and you need to wait 9 days to see someone who trained for 8 years, and you pay nothing for it. Stop * moaning.

[Yudster]

A GP is the last person who is going to be able to help you with a back problem though. You'll be sent for an x-ray which will show nothing (because they never do) and then referred to an NHS physiotherapist which will be unhelpful because they won't have the time or the resources to properly assess you, treat you and monitor you.

If you can afford it you are better off going to see a chiropractor instead, or if that doesn't appeal a private physiotherapist who will actually give your case the time it needs, rather than just the time they have.

[chrysostom]

Oh and you need to wait 9 days to see someone who trained for 8 years, and you pay nothing for it. Stop * moaning.

[Johnny 1989]

Your doctor will say you need to join a Gym.

Maybe...........

Oh and you need to wait 9 days to see someone who trained for 8 years, and you pay nothing for it. Stop * moaning.

Which is fine because I intend to do so, regarding waiting for the Doctors, the point is that waiting two & a half weeks for an appointment is ludicrous when they shut the surgery next door, dumped their doctors in the same surgery & our Doctors we had have cut their days down the two days a week. Thing is 3-4 years ago you could get an appointment within 48 hours, the receptionists themselves said they are being told to sign more & more patients on even though the surgery can't handle it. So not just pointless moaning seeing as they're own staff say the surgery can't cope.

I appreciate all the Doctors do for the general public, it's the governments I have a problem with, especially the current lot who really haven't a * clue.

A GP is the last person who is going to be able to help you with a back problem though. You'll be sent for an x-ray which will show nothing (because they never do) and then referred to an NHS physiotherapist which will be unhelpful because they won't have the time or the resources to properly assess you, treat you and monitor you.

If you can afford it you are better off going to see a chiropractor instead, or if that doesn't appeal a private physiotherapist who will actually give your case the time it needs, rather than just the time they have.

Everyone at work was telling me to go to the Doctors as they'd be able to sort it out, so basically don't bother then because I can't afford a chiropractor & a Doctors is a waste of time, should have gone all those years back then when the NHS wasn't so up the wall.

[Boboff]

You have never come across so ignorant before JOhny. I don't understand it, and will give you the benefit of the doubt.

A few year ago when you could get an appointment in 48 hours, was because the Surgery's took in on themselves Nationally NOT to offer any appointments at all over 48 hours, so it was a free for all, but the target of seeing your doctor in 48 hours was met.

Doctors receptionists are a special breed of menpopausal power freaks who will do all in there power to make what ever point best bemoans everything and everyone, they are not a good source, even for the Sun.

Doctors in General practice are now paid on average £250k a year, up from £80k. This was basically because someone * up the numbers, the doctos said nothing, and now some can earn over £500k. So on AVERAGE they are paid twice that the Prime Minister is paid. Now on that basis do you think there will be more or less doctors being employed by the publically funded NHS? That's right, less doctors, those same doctors who now only work 4 1/2 days a week, and don't do home visits.

BUT, exercise if the best cure for a bad back, being overweight is the worst thing for it, you don't need someone on £120 an hour to tell you that mate.

The NHS is not "up the wall" it's just been through a MASSIVE period of investment, during a period of increasingly expensive care, and increases in life expectancy. Why not just wait, it's been years, go and be told to exercise, and stop listening to all the "the countires gone to the dogs shite" It really doesn't become you.

[Boboff]

oops

[chrysostom]

Doctors in General practice are now paid on average £250k a year, up from £80k. This was basically because someone * up the numbers, the doctos said nothing, and now some can earn over £500k.

Standard GP doctors (excluding private healthcare) who don't do any other work apart from their surgery hours?

Are you sure that's right? - I'm 80% sure that's not the case - it's probably around £60-80k, but I wouldn't say that it would be typical for a standard GP to earn £250k (I could be wrong, I'm just going by family as we've got quite a few GPs & I'm friends with quite a few Doctors). Although if there's any evidence then I'll stand corrected!

edit. I did a bit of research, and it appears GPs who work 40 hours a week at a local surgery with no other commitments can earn between £60k and £110k, depending on area, experience, time served etc.

I know from personal experience that many doctors tend to do a lot more than just their contracted hours working 2 or 3 different jobs, ranging from out of hours assistance (which is basically consultancy & ad-hoc house calls) to putting in a few shifts at the general hospital.

The out of hours work is paid much better, as it's usually between 7pm and 5am and is currently out sourced through private companies, which means that there isn't just a 'standard rate' (unfortunately it means that foreign doctors can undercut ones who have worked in the UK for quite some time in a cost cutting exercise).

I did find this article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6157219.stm but it refers to the total earnings of a GP, as opposed to their salary for their role just in the surgery - and takes into account private healthcare, which is much more lucrative. It also doesn't take into account the costs which the doctors have to foot, such as paying the support staff at the surgery, and dealing with administration.

This was basically because someone * up the numbers, the doctors said nothing.

A huge majority of NHS figures are against the PCT, which distributes money directly to doctors - forcing them to manage administration for their own surgeries. They outsource this, which they pay for individually. The doctors, and the whole NHS has said quite a lot about this.

Sorry for the essay, but I did some work for the PCT early last year, and have been around doctors in a social capacity for most of my life - thought I'd be able to give an alternative view on matters!

ps.

So on AVERAGE they are paid twice that the Prime Minister is paid.

the PM's basic wage perhaps - doesn't take into account the whole package of being PM.

sorry. i'm done. promise.

[Yudster]

The receptionsist at our surgery are brilliant. As helpful as they could be, accommodating and pleasant - and all the while fighting to provide the patients with the best service possible within a completely crap system which has been imposed on them and which doesn't work. But basically if I call my surgery when I or Baby Yudster is unwell, and explain why I need to see a doctor that day, they will find a doctor to see me (or BY) that day. They're brilliant.

However if its not urgent, like something I have lived with for years and never bothered to do anything about, I certainly don't mind having to wait until they can fit me in to one of the extremely limited pre-bookable appointments they are allowed to offer.

[DevilsDuck]

My surgery arrange a doc to call you back if you want an on the day slot. They then listen to your symptoms and book you in on the day or not accordingly. It worked well when I had pneumonia

[charlalottie]

The doctors back home are brilliant, you always get seen that day. Here at the uni one, you can wait over a week for an appointment, even for something like depression. Suppose its down to how big their patient base is.

[Yudster]

I think basically surgeries split their caseloads into Things That Need/May Need Antibiotics and Things That Don't. If you're on the Don't list you can probably afford to wait a few days. If you do though, waiting's not a good idea at all.

[Boboff]

Indeed. Chrys, I think the criteria is you are a Partner in a practice, and it's the amount you make as a partner, not so much as a GP that has gone through the roof, although Accounting wise I not sure how you do it.

I am pleased with the service I get from my GP, they always see the kids on the day, and ask us if it's urgent etc. Receptionists at GP's are a bit funny sometimes though, when Mrs B was booked out of Hospital after her problems, they said to get bloods done in the next 24 hours, so she phoned, and the receptionist asked why they hadn't done them in the hospital! I know it's funny really.

My BIGGEST annoyance though is the moaning. When Mrs B had her op, and given she is a recently qualified Nurse, the care package was good. What I hated was that the 12 other patients that came and went around her, 11 of them just moaned and moaned, and the families moaned and moaned, and it got on my tits. I decied then I would stick up for the NHS as the "fashion" of the Jeremy Kyle generation is to expect top notch care paid for out of their benefits, without any sence to actually try and do something practical to help ( yes all the ones carrying a drip out the front to have a fag!) then coming back for Oxygen........

The NHS isn't perfect I know, but boy it's allot better than any alternative I have seen.

[charlalottie]

I'll stick up for the NHS any day. When you consider the help available for free then you can't complain. God knows I've had more than my fair share of contact with doctors, hospitals, specialists etc but really, give or take the few bad occasions, ultimately I'm still here, relatively healthy and not about to collapse any time soon (fingers crossed).

[charlalottie]

Very happy, another 1lb gone. 15 down, 16 left to shift.

[Boboff]

5 1/2 lb down last week, 11 1/2lb in 4 weeks, with a poorly knee, happy with that¬!

[MK Chris]

12 stone 1, down 3lbs - lovely jubbly!

[Yudster]

1lb down this week - I have NO idea how, I've been a disgusting pig all week. I need to tighten up though, I'm not committed enough to this yet.

[chrysostom]

I need to tighten up though

surprised that badger hasn't been all over this*.

*by this, i'm referring to the comment

[charlalottie]

Well done everyone!

[Johnny 1989]

Stayed the same this week unfortunately, crap week

Apologies all for the back discussions above, I wasn't slagging off the NHS, apologies if that's the way it came across, I'm not just going for my back have something else I'm more worried about that I'm going to see him about, I don't wish to disclose it here at present. I haven't been to my Doctors for 3 years which is why I'm going to see him about a couple of things.

Anyway apologies for all the heated debate above future posts will be about further weight loss

[charlalottie]

Lost 2lbs this week, not really expecting that was only thinking it'll be 1lb so very happy with that. Apparently that means I've now lost 10% in total and half a stone in the past 5 weeks. Nice little day for achievements!